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Tire Pressure

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:25 am
by Overdrift
Everyone I've talked to has their own opinion on tire pressure. Me personally I like all types of pressure.


For daily driving everyone says you need to stick with oem pressures. If you don't your car won't handle correctly and it can be hazardous.

I always thought I'll put the PSI at what I feel is right. Most of the time with rwd's it was around 50psi in the rear and 40 in the front. This article is a intresting read. I'll paste it and add the link at the bottom.



SGT. DAVE STORTON
EVOC Contributor
Officer.com


How many officers check the tire pressure on their patrol car on a regular basis? We all seem to be great at checking that the lights and siren work, because the time to find out they don’t work is not when you get a Code 3 call. Likewise, the time to find out your tire pressure is too low is not when you are in a pursuit and trying to take a corner at high speed.

What is proper pressure?

The proper tire pressure for the Police Crown Victoria is 44 psi. If you look on the sidewall of the tire, you will see that it lists 44 psi max pressure. Regardless of what vehicle you have, use the maximum pressure listed on the sidewall. Higher pressure results in better performance, decreased tire wear, and it lessens your chance of hydroplaning at a given speed. This number on the sidewall lists “the maximum amount of pressure you should ever put in the tire under normal driving conditions.” Pursuits and Code 3 responses are not “normal driving conditions.” Many agencies maintain tire pressure at 35 psi since this is what is listed in the owner’s manual and on the door placard. The reason the owner’s manual lists 35 psi is because we get the same manual as the civilian version of the Crown Victoria. The police version, however, is fully loaded with communications equipment, a cage, and your gear. You are not looking for a soft and cushy ride, you want performance.

Myths about pressure

Let’s put to rest some common misconceptions. The tires will not balloon out creating a peak in the center portion of the tread when tire pressure is above 35 psi. There is a steel belt that prevents this from happening. Also, you are not overstressing the tire with higher pressure, and the tire will not be forced off the rim with higher pressure. The picture above is Bobby Ore of Bobby Ore Motorsports driving a Ford Ranger on two wheels. The tires on the left side have 100 psi in them, and they happen to be tires and rims from a 1999 Crown Victoria! This is a dramatic example of how pressure holds the tire in shape, and how much stress a tire can handle.

Performance

If you were able to watch a tire as it travels across the ground at high speed, you would see that it deflects to one side during cornering. The faster you are going through a corner, the more tire deflection you get. As the tire deflects over onto the sidewall, you get less traction and more of a tendency to understeer or oversteer. This could spell disaster when negotiating a corner at high speed during a pursuit or a Code 3 run. Higher pressure keeps the tire from deflecting onto the sidewall as much, which keeps more of the treaded portion on the road.

A good demonstration for EVOC instructors is to have students drive a high-speed course in a vehicle with 32 to 35 psi. Then have them run the same course with 44 to 50 psi in the tires. The student will experience a marked difference in performance. Having officers experience this difference in vehicle performance is much more effective than just telling them to check their tire pressure.

Hydroplaning

When a tire rolls across a road covered with water, the tire tread channels water away so the rubber remains in contact with the road. The factors that affect hydroplaning are speed, and water depth. Conventional wisdom says that vehicles will hydroplane in as little as 1/16th of an inch of water. Not so coincidentally, legal tread depth is 1/16th of an inch.

Tire manufactures and the Association of Law Enforcement Emergency Response Trainers International (ALERT) have shown that tires have more of a tendency to hydroplane when pressure is low. This happens because the tire footprint (the portion of the tire actually in contact with the road) is larger. For those of you who water ski, think of which is easier to get up on: a fat ski or a skinny ski. More tire surface in contact with the water makes it easier to hydroplane, just as it is easier to water ski on a fat ski. Also, a soft tire can be pushed in more by the pressure of the water on the center portion of the tread. This results in less rubber in contact with the road.

Tire wear

Much better tire wear results from maintaining proper pressure. Tires with lower pressure will wear off the outside of the tread faster from the deflection of the tire during cornering, and the tires will heat up more from increased road friction. This is one of the factors that caused the failure of a certain brand of tires on Ford Explorers some years ago. In 1999 the San Jose Police Department realized a significant cost savings by increasing the pressure in the training fleet to 50 psi. They soon followed up by increasing the pressure in the patrol fleet to 44 psi. For liability reasons, most agencies are reluctant to exceed the maximum pressure listed on the tire for actual patrol vehicles, but they reap the cost saving when going to 50 psi on training vehicles.

Next time you inspect your vehicle, make sure you check your tire pressure since your ability to performance drive is significantly affected by it. You are not driving to the store to get a loaf of bread! You may be called upon to chase a dangerous criminal or respond to assist another officer in trouble. You don’t wonder whether or not your gun is loaded before you hit the street; don’t’ wonder whether your tire pressure is correct once the pursuit starts. Check your tires routinely, just as you do with all other critical equipment.


http://www.officer.com/article/article. ... 9&id=27281

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:38 pm
by nt66
it would be better if it wasnt written by a bunch of copper's

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:50 am
by Overdrift
nt66 wrote:it would be better if it wasnt written by a bunch of copper's
True, but at least they are clarifying everything.

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:09 am
by nt66
Overdrift wrote:
True, but at least they are clarifying everything.


great so now they will catch us easier when we run from parking lots

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:31 pm
by tnolo585
nt66 wrote:
Overdrift wrote:
True, but at least they are clarifying everything.


great so now they will catch us easier when we run from parking lots

:lol:

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:30 pm
by CBR_TOY
just do 32 psi and call it a day....

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:57 pm
by hvguy
CBR_TOY wrote:just do 32 psi and call it a day....
18 front, 50 rear FTW

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:53 am
by nt66
hvguy wrote:
CBR_TOY wrote:just do 32 psi and call it a day....
18 front, 50 rear FTW
18 in the front will hurt front traction more than 32 its all about slip angle

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:14 am
by Overdrift
Eh I have to agree to disagree.

I believe it depends on the terrain and the weather conditions. On slick asphalt with rain I have ran 20psi in the front with great success.

In dry conditions however 18 psi would not be helpful, in fact it might prove dangerous in extreme conditions on dry pavement.

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:39 am
by hvguy
Overdrift wrote:Eh I have to agree to disagree.

I believe it depends on the terrain and the weather conditions. On slick asphalt with rain I have ran 20psi in the front with great success.

In dry conditions however 18 psi would not be helpful, in fact it might prove dangerous in extreme conditions on dry pavement.
I agree somewhat. I noticed on my barum "driver side" that its got some gnarly road rash on the sidewall from flexing too much..... but I think thats because its a barum.

But free is free. Ill eventually get some proxies for the 86, but some azens for the fc.

Although im still not sure of what to drift..... I think for the GGP's il bring both, but for comps ill go with the corolla. But for daily drifting and out and abouts, itll have to be the more reliable FC.

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:45 am
by Overdrift
Sounds good to me!

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:09 am
by nt66
hvguy wrote:
Overdrift wrote:Eh I have to agree to disagree.

I believe it depends on the terrain and the weather conditions. On slick asphalt with rain I have ran 20psi in the front with great success.

In dry conditions however 18 psi would not be helpful, in fact it might prove dangerous in extreme conditions on dry pavement.
I agree somewhat. I noticed on my barum "driver side" that its got some gnarly road rash on the sidewall from flexing too much..... but I think thats because its a barum.

But free is free. Ill eventually get some proxies for the 86, but some azens for the fc.

Although im still not sure of what to drift..... I think for the GGP's il bring both, but for comps ill go with the corolla. But for daily drifting and out and abouts, itll have to be the more reliable FC.

r1r's are were its at for front tires. As far as pressure goes I dont know how sideway flex would ever be helpful in the rain or not and with the retarded size junk yard tires you guys run they flex wayyyyyyyy to much with 30 psi I can only imagine what they do with only 18psi. My best traction in the wet was a 45psi and thats with super stiff sidewalls.

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:09 pm
by CBR_TOY
i run 30-32 in all 4....30 in the front

i don't care. if the car understeers during initiating i just grab a handful of ebrake

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:58 am
by Nasser
i think i need to take this into consideration i noticed that the sides were getting all worn out while drifting and i was running 32 psi and all 4 ima pump em up to like 45 or 50 next time

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:47 pm
by hvguy
CBR_TOY wrote:i run 30-32 in all 4....30 in the front

i don't care. if the car understeers during initiating i just grab a handful of ebrake
Or a foot full kick clutch.