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Where to find.......

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:05 am
by CBR_TOY
a stock 4afe from a reliable place?

blew mine up today..... not sure what happened. it started knocking and seconds later a "pop" and then some smoke



oh, and a small fire

any help would be great

Re: Where to find.......

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:43 am
by mooreofit
lkq on kerkendahl and 1960. you can usually get a low millage from them but usually cost 5-600. williams holt on shepard usually have low milliage for around 400.

these are already pulled.

if you want just the bottom end i would go find the cleanest 4a 7a from a 93 and up at pick a part. i pulled a head a few months back of a 7a with less than 20,000 miles on it.there was NO discoloring or varnish build up. it looked brand new.


BUT!!!

a smallport 4age will bolt strait in and you can run it on the 4afe wiring harness and ecu as long as you have a certain JDM dizzy (more info on toyotanation.)

Re: Where to find.......

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:44 am
by mooreofit
ohh yeah. http://www.car-part.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; FTMFW!!!!

Re: Where to find.......

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:00 pm
by CBR_TOY
uh.... smallport sounds awesome but what dizzy is it?

maybe i'll just put the black top in the 4 door and put the 86 on the back burner for now

it's ironic hat i beat the hell out of my first 4 door and my 86 and they drive great but i drive this car like a grandpa and it blows up ha ha

Re: Where to find.......

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:30 pm
by Overdrift
you did drive that car like a grandpa, it was low mileage if I recall as well. sucks to here this.

Re: Where to find.......

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:19 pm
by mooreofit
it would be about the same headache to put teh 20v into either car. i would put that in your 86.


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Re: Where to find.......

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:30 pm
by mooreofit
"On another thread you asked about a 4age on a 4afe ecu. Using a smallport (non-tvis since the 4afe ecu has nothing to control it) 4age, smallport 4age injectors/fuel rail/sensors. Since my car is a 90 all of the sensor connectors are the same as the smallport (early 4age sensors have wire-retaining clips). ECU was recrystalled by a friend (sorry, don't know the crystal value) to basically change the clock speed allowing for a wider rpm range. Yes, it does change all other values, but i've been running like this for about 6 years and haven't had problems (and at 90mph get over 40mpg, about 32mpg at 60-70 highway and mixed around town driving). RPM limiter is at 7800 or so.

The only thing that is the catch is the distributor and the ignitor. I am using an internal 4afe ignitor (mounted in the cab to a heatsink) externally, and have a 4age distributor wired into the 4afe harness. The bigger catch is that I don't know what motor the dizzy is from, as I haven't seen it yet in an ae86, ae92, aw11, early bigport, late bigport, or US/JDM smallport. Just noticed the other day that the part number is still on the dizzy, and it's for a 4agelu (pretty sure not US). You need to find a 4age dizzy that matches internally to the 4afe ecu that you have on your car (meaning, you need to find a dizzy that fits a 4age yet has the same electronic outputs as the stock dizzy... minus the coil and ignitor as you can make those "external" and rewire them).

This all sounds difficult, but it's actually very straightforward. The ecu was even close enough to run a set of 20V itb's on the car -- only difficult part was getting it to start without a CSI.

I see you went with an MS. I can say it's probably too bad you didn't put it together becuase the MS can be finicky, and knowing how it works helps leaps and bounds if anything were to happen. Tuning is easy and all you need is any laptop with win95 or newer (I use an old old Fujistu Stylus tablet pc with 2000 loaded on it). With the high boost you're running you should get a wideband as well, the LC1 seems to be a common favorite among aw11 owners.

Aluminum dual core civic radiators work fine, we did a similar swap in an Isuzu prepping it for a turbo setup (which ultimately never happened). Becuase of the size of the turbo the rad may not be in the "stock" locations so you may have to repipe some of it, but it's simple enough.

Keep the crank on end, not flat like that. The crank can warp laying on it's side. " toyotaspeed90.




19100-16080

ND229100-0711

4A-GELU 10 F 8
^^^^ dizzy part number

Re: Where to find.......

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:48 am
by madcao
found this on cl:

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/pts/1611901484.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Where to find.......

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:10 pm
by CBR_TOY
thanks guys for all the help..... i think H8S has a bottom end that will work though

i'll update asap

Re: Where to find.......

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:43 pm
by mooreofit
all your bigport stuff will bolt in. including the crank. the graigslist post motor will need extensive wiring if you want to run the newer fe head.

Re: Where to find.......

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:19 am
by CBR_TOY
yea he has a bluetop fwd bottom end for a pretty good price and it's a 0 mile rebuild

Re: Where to find.......

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:19 pm
by CBR_TOY
how hard would it be to put a bluetop in the car? wiring headache? with the block i'm getting a head too.......

Re: Where to find.......

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:34 pm
by mooreofit
you may be able to use the harness out of a 88-89 gts as they had the high comp bottom end with the bigport head from the factory.might be plug and play that way. more research needed i guess. if you had access to all data you could pull up connector views and see if the engine harness will plug into your body harness. also check the junction block.